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profpr Закончилось уже третье официальное расследование климатгейта. Результат тот же: обвиняемые в подтасовке данных ученые полностью оправданы, а обвинения признаны ложными.
... we are satisfied that the CRU tree-ring work has been carried out with integrity, and that allegations of deliberate misrepresentation and unjustified selection of data are not valid... we can judge the methods which CRU has employed are fair and satisfactory... We believe that CRU did a public service of great value by carrying out much time-consuming meticulous work on temperature records at a time when it was
unfashionable and attracted the interest of a rather small section of the scientific community. CRU has been among the leaders in international efforts to determining the overall uncertainty in the derived temperature records and where work is best focussed to improve them... We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely that we would have detected it. Rather we found a small group of dedicated if slightly disorganised researchers who were ill-prepared for being the focus of public attention.
Чуть раньше парламентская комиссия UK полностью оправдала Phil Jones по обвинениям в утаивании научных данных.
... we are satisfied that the CRU tree-ring work has been carried out with integrity, and that allegations of deliberate misrepresentation and unjustified selection of data are not valid... we can judge the methods which CRU has employed are fair and satisfactory... We believe that CRU did a public service of great value by carrying out much time-consuming meticulous work on temperature records at a time when it was
unfashionable and attracted the interest of a rather small section of the scientific community. CRU has been among the leaders in international efforts to determining the overall uncertainty in the derived temperature records and where work is best focussed to improve them... We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely that we would have detected it. Rather we found a small group of dedicated if slightly disorganised researchers who were ill-prepared for being the focus of public attention.
Чуть раньше парламентская комиссия UK полностью оправдала Phil Jones по обвинениям в утаивании научных данных.
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Date: 2010-04-15 01:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 11:44 pm (UTC)it's all still a big conspiracy... only now this is proof that the conspiracy is even bigger than we thought!
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Date: 2010-04-15 11:51 pm (UTC)"Потому что дураков, слава Богу, на Руси лет на сто припасено" (с) Особенности русской рыбалки.
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Date: 2010-04-16 03:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-16 04:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-16 05:15 am (UTC)Ученым ведь есть что ответить. В данном случае очень просто. Пока что диалога быть не может, нам нужно еще время.
Но реальность такова, что никакой публики нет. Есть только взвинчивающие публику, условно говоря, Илларионовы, и эмоциональные жж бездельники, которым просто нечем заняться. Живых людей все это совершенно не интересует.
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Date: 2010-04-16 11:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-17 04:22 am (UTC)А подозрительное отношение к "злодеям-ученым" легко возбудить в самом невинном сознании.
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Date: 2010-04-15 03:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 09:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-27 03:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-15 11:02 pm (UTC)" ну и что, что сняли обвинения - в моих глазах как был жуликом, так и остался < Фил Джонс >.
:)))
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Date: 2010-04-15 11:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-16 12:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-27 03:48 am (UTC)я вроде гадкого не писал, хотя и был здорово не согласен, но пока мы видим, что "замечательная работа ученых" включала ... included detailed descriptions of uncertainties and appropriate caveats. We also welcome the confirmation that, although some have accused CRU of trying to mislead, the Unit’s published research emphasises the late 20th Century discrepancy between tree-based proxy reconstructions of temperature and instrumental observations. - то есть ни о какой четкой и однозначной картине речи не идет.
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Date: 2010-04-27 11:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-27 01:53 pm (UTC)рад, что камень был не в мой огород - не люблю ссориться с друзьями :)
неточности и нестыковки признак не науки, а гипотезы, которая требует значительных доработок прежде чем станет научной теорией, т.к. многие гипотезы наукой отметаются.
да, в научной работе есть этап неточностей, но такой этап есть во многих сферах, которые к науке самым что ни на есть косвенным образом.
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Date: 2010-04-16 09:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-17 03:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-17 06:11 pm (UTC)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
(Sibrel said "You're the one who said you walked on the moon, when you didn't" and called Aldrin "a coward, and a liar, and a thief.")
:)
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Date: 2010-04-17 06:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-04-27 03:44 am (UTC)--ужасно быть публичной фигурой--
и ведь никто его не заставлял :)
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Date: 2010-04-27 12:34 pm (UTC)их есть у меня :)
Date: 2010-04-27 01:57 pm (UTC)Written by National Institute of Mental Health
More men than women die by suicide.
* The gender ratio is 4:1.
More women than men report a history of attempted suicide, with a gender ratio of 3:1
Re: их есть у меня :)
Date: 2010-04-27 04:43 pm (UTC)Re: их есть у меня :)
Date: 2010-04-29 02:31 pm (UTC)--"рассматривание попытки самоубийства"--
вообще недоказуемо, это может сказать каждый, кто хочет получить статус жертвы. в такие игры обычно играют женщины (я имел в виду именно это)
не все так благостно и безоблачно
Date: 2010-04-27 03:42 am (UTC)The Report points out where things might have been done better. One is to engage more with professional statisticians in the analysis of data. Another, related, point is that more efficacious statistical techniques might have been employed in some instances (although it was pointed out that different methods may not have produced different results). Specialists in many areas of research acquire and develop the statistical skills pertinent to their own particular data analysis requirements. However, we do see the sense in engaging more fully with the wider statistics community to ensure that the most effective and up-to-date statistical techniques are adopted and will now consider further how best to achieve this.
Another area for suggested improvement is in the archiving of data and algorithms, and in recording exactly what was done. Although no-one predicted the import of this pioneering research when it started in the mid-1980’s, it is now clear that more effort needs to be put into this activity. CRU, and other parts of the climate science community, are already making improvements in these regards, and the University will continue to ensure that these imperatives are maintained.
The Independent Climate Change E-mail Review investigation is underway, and therefore some important issues are still under active consideration.
Re: не все так благостно и безоблачно
Date: 2010-04-27 12:38 pm (UTC)Re: не все так благостно и безоблачно
Date: 2010-04-27 01:50 pm (UTC)Андрей,
это лишь говорит, что в действиях климатического центра не было науки, т.к. ни в медицине, ни в физике (области о коих имею некоторое представление) никто не выдает статистически недостоверные данные за научные.
Re: не все так благостно и безоблачно
Date: 2010-04-27 04:45 pm (UTC)Re: не все так благостно и безоблачно
Date: 2010-04-29 02:20 pm (UTC)в его работах было столько математики, что в 1920-ые их понимало во всем мире человек 5-10 (кто-то так выразился), куда там статистикам!
но самое главное, что до экспериментального подтверждения построения Эйнштейна оставались теорией, Нобеля ему дали не за теорию относительности!